- September 18, 2008 at 10:50 am #39790
Well after much shuffling and various schedule changes it seems that the
short segment in the HHFF series on RFD-TV is to air on:
September 19-20 – Friday and Saturday night at Midnight….
September 22 – Again on Monday morning at 5:00 am.
Somehow the schedules where shifted to accommodate the cattle auctions
and this is when it will be shown now according to the latest information.
I hope some DAP folks get to watch and hopefully enjoy the 20 minutes of actual film shot on the job in the woods or at the landing. This is a beginning and we will have several other segments coming in the future.
Our thanks to:
Joe Mischka, of Rural Heritage Magazine
Bailey’s Forestry Supply, http://www.baileysonline.com
The Natural Woodworking Company
The Blue Ridge Muse
All our friends and neighbors that helped pull this off
Please let us know what you think, we hope everyone gets a chance to see it as some point. The airing times will shift around and hopefully it will make a showing are normal hours in the future. I think RH will sell DVD’s of the series eventually. Any suggestions and comments are appreciated.
Thanks to all the folks on DAP for your interest and inspiration…September 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm #47380
Well we stayed up late and watched the segment on RFD. I must say it is somewhat anticlimactic and served to inspire us to do a better job next time.
We put allot of work into producing the film. But the thought that stuck with me after, filming, editing and watching it is that there is nothing like the real thing. Going into the woods with someone that is doing this work is far more fun that watching it on TV.
I hope it is enjoyable for those who may be seeing it for the first time.
We are confident that the next segment will be even better. The site will be better and there will be more emphasis on techniques of worst first single tree selection, safety gear, felling, and of course lots of extraction including a team of mules and yoke of oxen.
It will show again tonight at midnight and Monday morning at 5:00 am. Not the best times for such a piece to be on the air waves, but it is the best we could do at this point.
We are thankful for the support of Rural Heritage in making this media available to help serve the public good.
The primary purpose of HHFF is to be a model that others may use to develop there own approach in their communities.September 21, 2008 at 12:18 am #47384jen judkinsParticipant
Jason, I didn’t stay up, but I did Tivo the show and watched it this am. Well done!
I particularly liked that you placed an emphasis on the economics of restorative forestry. After what has happened recently in our national economy, I think folks will really connect with the long term approach to profitability.
In addition, I thought your horses were magnificent…including those granted out to your apprentices. I have a very long history with natural horsemanship and understand the scope of training you are employing and was extremely impressed with your happy, solid partners. There is a big difference between horses trained to ‘do’ a job and those who are trained to ‘understand’ the job and are happy to participate because they hold you and your decision making in highest regard. Really a pleasure to watch…definately don’t cut them out of your next shoot!
Lastly, a question. You mentioned in your eloguent comparison of a horse to a tractor (horses ARE the epidome of sustainability are they not), you mentioned that your horses get very little grain. Being a minimalist in regard to grain with my own horses, I was intrigued. All the teamsters I have spoken to load their drafts up with buckets of grain when they are in work. Could you comment on your approach to graining your horses when in work? BTW, they look fit and happy. Thanks.
Jennifer.September 21, 2008 at 2:23 pm #47381
We didn’t stay up but one night to watch the segment either. I don’t have TIVO, and the remote broke about five minutes before it came on so we have to get another remote so we won’t have to use the little buttons on the receiver box. Does anyone else find all these buttons to small to see without glasses….?
The feeding concentrates issue is a matter of personal preference in response to the effort required of the working animals. There are a few things we do that are not the normal recommended or standard approach.
We do feed more grain when the horses are going to work long hours of hard work. For instance – a time when the skid distance is long and adverse or uphill and the logs are generally large, we will bump the grain ration up to the 1 pound per 1 hundred pounds of body weight. But usually we are not working the horses that hard and just simply don’t need to feed them that much. If we do we just make fat horses that sometimes have higher headed attitudes and express the old saying of “feeling their oats”.
We find that with gradual adjustment of the grains in accordance to what is going to happen the next day we can change the ration without digestive complications with the horses. We feed with the thought that what we feed now will provide energy twelve hours from now. So when we know we have a hard day tomorrow we bump the ration tonight.
But the main thing is good pasture, grazing or forage. That represents the majority of the volume they eat so it is very important and the portion of the cost that the ground level practitioner can control or access cheaply, sometimes free – if you don’t count the cost of building a temporary electric fence around it. There are many instances where open land is just not being used and just mowed and that is where we graze on most logging jobs in the community. That forage is the captured solar energy that powers animals. Meanwhile most landowners are thankful for the manure.
So some of the things we do that are a little different is that we fluctuate the grain according to expected demand for energy, instead of a routine buckets of feed no matter what. It simply saves money and isn’t necessary. I know – fat is the best color on any horse, but sweat is even a prettier color for us.
Another thing is the introduction of yogurt into the digestive tract of horses.
I am sure their are some that don’t believe these beneficial organisms will survive the gastric acids of the stomach, but we think they are beneficial and have been feeding yogurt in various forms for years before it became a supplement available commercially. We have to dose them with the liquid stuff, you know -plain Dannon in a cup. We use an old big plastic syringe to administer it. We also have been feeding pure vegetable oil for a long time. Since we buy it in bulk (gallons) from the cheapest source and add it on top of cheaper grain it adds energy without attitude. We have been doing this for years. It also lowers the overall cost of feeding performance horses and after becoming used to it they love it. We have had sponsorship by Pennfield Feeds for a yearly supply of 10/8 protein to fat ration in the past. It is great feed and the horses love it also. Most feed companies are making something like this for horses now. The main point is you don’t need as much of it to get good performance without attitude from the horses or their loosing weight.
But the mainstay is forage. This is the majority of what they eat and by that alone the most important as well as cheapest, locally available and natural feed possible.
So keep working on pasture renovation, that is a good investment into any landowner’s ability to be self sufficient in supporting their working animals.
Now when it comes to feeding dry forage or hay the same is true. If you have decent well cured hay it can provide most of the energy needed for moderate work. Decent meaning good mixture of grasses and some legumes. Curing it the most important thing about hay. Farmer’s grow grass, but weather makes hay.
We promise to make the next installment in the series on RH on RFD-TV even better. Maybe we will actually get an airing in normal hours when the average viewer will have a better chance of seeing it….
Thanks for the kind comments.September 21, 2008 at 5:09 pm #47383Iron RoseParticipant
Like your way of feeding your horse as to what work there is to do. Never thought of feeding yougert to horses but it makes sense( I,ve been using it for years) Will have to try it.
Years ago I worked for a old guy that fed his pulling horses a dozen eggs a day along with a couple of gallons of milk. Never tried the milk but had a logging horse that sure loved eggs, in fact if he found a nest it would be gone shells and all.September 21, 2008 at 8:34 pm #47382
Thanks Iron Rose, feeding less is easy when you don’t have much money to buy feed.
The reviews or responses so far are positive. It is encouraging to hear and we are off to work on the next segment.September 21, 2008 at 10:26 pm #47385jen judkinsParticipant
Jason, Thanks for the info. Yogurt? Who would’ve thunk it? I buy a fancy (reads expensive) probiotic for my horses…now I feel like a sucker!:rolleyes:
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